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PIAA rules on Phoenixville coaches
By DENNIS J. WRIGHT
Journal Register News Service
KING OF PRUSSIA — Former Phoenixville Area High School basketball coach Bill Detweiler, along with assistant coaches Ken Winston and G.T. Pufko, are suspended from coaching any high school athletic teams for one year, effective immediately.
The decision was handed down by a Pennsylvania Interstate Athletic Association District 1 panel following a lengthy hearing at Upper Merion High School that stretched from Tuesday evening into the early morning hours Wednesday.
By a vote of 7-0 for each, Detweiler, Winston and Pufko have been disqualified from coaching any athletic teams of a PIAA member school for a period of one year from the date of Tuesday night's PIAA hearing. Detweiler and Winston were recently fired as basketball coaches at Phoenixville Area High School.
The PIAA panel also found Phoenixville Area High School in violation regarding the transfer of student-athlete George Harper to the high school and placed the school district on probation for one year.
The panel left in place the boys' basketball District 1-AAA championship title.
The PIAA will issue a letter of public censure to the high school, expressing strong disapproval of the lack of appropriate administrative oversight of the interscholastic program. The high school will be on probation for four sports seasons, with the requirement of written reports from the principal to the PIAA District 1 committee following each sports season.
These reports are to address preseason coaches meetings with an agenda that includes a review of all school district and PIAA policies; verification by all coaches of attendance at the meeting, receipt of the information and acknowledgement of their understanding; and attendance of all head coaches at the mandatory PIAA rules interpretation meetings for all sports.
If the school district fails to comply with those provisions, there will be additional penalties.
After hearing several hours of testimony, the hearing panel met in an executive session for 45 minutes before handing out their decisions.
According to W. Rodney Stone, chairman, the hearing was held following a letter dated July 22, 2009, by the Phoenixville Area School District, informing the PIAA of an "apparent violation of Article VI, Section 6, of the PIAA By-Laws" — which is titled Transfers, Residence, and Recruiting.
The school district reported a situation that "may indicate recruiting
which is materially motivated in some way by an athletic purpose" by members of the high school basketball coaching staff, specifically Detweiler and Winston.
Prior to the hearing, both school district solicitor Ron Williams and father George Harper requested that the hearing be closed to the public, while Detweiler and Winston were in favor of keeping it open. Stone decided that the meeting would remain open.
Harper testified that he and his son, George Harper, were attending a Phoenixville Area Positive Alternatives summer basketball league game with AAU coach Thurman Cameron when they were introduced to Detweiler and Winston.
Harper said that Detweiler asked his son to participate in a pick-up game which included members of Phoenixville's basketball team.
"After seeing my son play, (Detweiler) said he could win a state title with this kid," Harper said. "Detweiler wanted us to move to Phoenixville, and I told him I couldn't afford it."
Harper testified that he picked out an apartment, with the rent being $900. He said that Winston took him to Orion Communities because "I'm disabled and can only afford $500."
"(Orion) said that they would take care of things," he said. "I presumed Orion would take care of the rest. The apartment wasn't ready and school was opening. George stayed with Winston for two weeks, and then with a host family until the apartment was ready."
Pufko testified later in the hearing that it was he who called Orion to assist Harper.
"Harper said he needed a place to live," said Pufko. "I went with Harper, his son and Cameron to look at properties. He picked one out and he was given paperwork for subsidized housing. At no time was there discussion about who would pay their rent. Orion explained to Harper that he had to come back in October for the funds. I got a call in December saying that his rent was late."
Both Detweiler and Winston testified that they didn't promise to pay any of Harper's rent.
Another issue that was at hand was the status of the District 1-AAA Basketball Championship that the boys' basketball team won during the 2008-09 season.
Stone said he was aware that the championship weighed on the minds of a lot of people in attendance Tuesday night.
"The championship was in jeopardy by rule," Stone said. "It wasn't seriously discussed during our deliberation. I understand the impact by the teams defeated by Phoenixville. You end up punishing youngsters who were not party to the violation. We can't replay the district tournament. The purpose of the ruling is to make sure that people pay attention to the rules."
In a statement released after the ruling to the high school basketball players and parents, Burke-Stevenson said, "While the school district will be on probation for one year, your accomplishments in no way will be affected. The oral ruling of the PIAA hearing panel did not take away any of your victories or your championship."
Burke-Stevenson said she is "grateful for the leniency that the PIAA showed," and the leniency demonstrated that the students, players and parents "should not have been penalized for the acts of some adults, your former coaches."
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keeptotheissues wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:26 AM:
" Kudos to the PASD school board for being proactive and doing the right thing. If they hadn't, the penalties would have been higher. The student athletes would've have suffered from the actions of the adults who knew what they were doing was wrong. For those who said the board was wrong, you need to look at your personal motives. An outside entity (PIAA) got the whole story and was unanimous in siding with the school board. Only internal Phoenixville factions could believe that they were victims of a witch hunt. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:50 AM:
" Keeptotheissues it is always someone like you to say something like, "Only internal Phoenixville factions could believe that they were victims of a witch hunt"
I mean, first of all what does that even mean to you? What a stupid thing to say.
It is only in Phoenixville that the winning side has to be as goofy as the paranoids. Makes you almost wish no one could win.
Try having some dignity about the whole thing. A little sportsmanship is in order. "
I mean, first of all what does that even mean to you? What a stupid thing to say.
It is only in Phoenixville that the winning side has to be as goofy as the paranoids. Makes you almost wish no one could win.
Try having some dignity about the whole thing. A little sportsmanship is in order. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:54 AM:
" ..and folks ignore the racist. The Phoenix will delete those comments, in time. If you fight it, it will only continue. "
keeptotheissues wrote on Sep 26, 2009 7:33 PM:
" CharlesO - refer to point#2 by Steve except he called them clowns. That term seems to be acceptable to you or easier to understand. And I don't belong to the "winning side." I am a concerned parent, taxpayer, and citizen. Like it or not, there are factions with their own agenda. "
john wrote on Sep 27, 2009 11:39 AM:
" It is interesting to me that GT Pufko wasn't fired as well. It seems that it was he that took the horse to water, so to speak. He surely knew why he was taking the family to Orion. Instead he almost gets a promotion out of the deal?
As for the father who blew the whistle on the coaches who tried to help his son out- who is he crying to now for rent money? Hopefully he moved back to wherever he came from and out of Phoenixville. This is what an attitude of entitlement gets you. "
As for the father who blew the whistle on the coaches who tried to help his son out- who is he crying to now for rent money? Hopefully he moved back to wherever he came from and out of Phoenixville. This is what an attitude of entitlement gets you. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 27, 2009 12:52 PM:
" Keep to the Issues, you are just like the clowns, except you happen to be in the right side of the issue.
Of course they are not here, they are not about the position they took, or the people they defended. They are just goofballs doing what goofballs do. The mistake is taking them seriously.
You are the same. There are no "internal factions" whatever that means...and what is the nonsense about personal motives? If you read what was posted it is pretty evident to most they are just loons yapping.
AS I say it is only in a place like Phoenixville where we get such odd people on both sides of the issue. Like the yapping loons you really do not have an opinion one wants to give any credence to; that you are correct in your position is coincidental.
I guess in your mind the "as a citizen, parent.." makes you sound like wild.
It doesn't. Internal factions, give me a break. "
Of course they are not here, they are not about the position they took, or the people they defended. They are just goofballs doing what goofballs do. The mistake is taking them seriously.
You are the same. There are no "internal factions" whatever that means...and what is the nonsense about personal motives? If you read what was posted it is pretty evident to most they are just loons yapping.
AS I say it is only in a place like Phoenixville where we get such odd people on both sides of the issue. Like the yapping loons you really do not have an opinion one wants to give any credence to; that you are correct in your position is coincidental.
I guess in your mind the "as a citizen, parent.." makes you sound like wild.
It doesn't. Internal factions, give me a break. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 27, 2009 1:01 PM:
" John, John, John...The father was duped, but let's be sure to make him pay by going after him as much as we can.
This story is not over. These were PASD EMPLOYEES messing around in someone's life for their own purposes. PIAA finds the Administration did not do their job overseeing all of this.
Yes, I am afraid the next noise you will hear is a lawyer clearing his throat and announcing he is having a talk with PASD.
Normally, I would hate someone taking advantage of the situation, but this kid was literally moved from the life that was working for him to the life that works for the Coaches the family could not afford.
Dad was upfront about his ability to pay and someone played sugar daddy and it was arranged by these coaches.
Was the Dad naive? Yes. I can tell you as someone who has fostered about 30 kids from Philly, the dream to get kids out of that sewer is powerful. These guys played that family as PASD employees without proper supervision and soon it will be time to pay the piper.
Whatever it takes to get that kid graduated and on to a better life without more crap will be funded by the taxpayers of PASD, and so be it.
There is no reason this family should be turned upside down again because of this foolishness.
This time they will have to pay for it. "
This story is not over. These were PASD EMPLOYEES messing around in someone's life for their own purposes. PIAA finds the Administration did not do their job overseeing all of this.
Yes, I am afraid the next noise you will hear is a lawyer clearing his throat and announcing he is having a talk with PASD.
Normally, I would hate someone taking advantage of the situation, but this kid was literally moved from the life that was working for him to the life that works for the Coaches the family could not afford.
Dad was upfront about his ability to pay and someone played sugar daddy and it was arranged by these coaches.
Was the Dad naive? Yes. I can tell you as someone who has fostered about 30 kids from Philly, the dream to get kids out of that sewer is powerful. These guys played that family as PASD employees without proper supervision and soon it will be time to pay the piper.
Whatever it takes to get that kid graduated and on to a better life without more crap will be funded by the taxpayers of PASD, and so be it.
There is no reason this family should be turned upside down again because of this foolishness.
This time they will have to pay for it. "
keeptotheissues wrote on Sep 27, 2009 4:32 PM:
" I guess in your mind the "as a citizen, parent.." makes you sound like wild. It doesn't. Internal factions, give me a break. "
Charles O - your above statement doesn't make sense. "
Charles O - your above statement doesn't make sense. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 28, 2009 1:29 AM:
" AS always we have the clown car parade here. Let's attack the kid while commenting on the coaches.
Some real low lives here. Hope you feel great that you went after a kid. Great job, gee wish I was like you.
The point, Keep, is you are pretty much nuts. "
Some real low lives here. Hope you feel great that you went after a kid. Great job, gee wish I was like you.
The point, Keep, is you are pretty much nuts. "
far_east_phoenixville wrote on Sep 28, 2009 1:39 AM:
" hah, i'm not unhappy that a public high school coach would do that in order to win or help his team's chances, it actually seems pretty real world.
i just know that coaches like jack sturgeon who care about their sport, reputation, and respect the game would never even think of doing something like that.
he won a state championship and humbly said it was a fluke. despite any other opinions of him, you gotta love him for that alone. "
i just know that coaches like jack sturgeon who care about their sport, reputation, and respect the game would never even think of doing something like that.
he won a state championship and humbly said it was a fluke. despite any other opinions of him, you gotta love him for that alone. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 28, 2009 11:05 AM:
" You have a point Far East, and we all know we could use some more real world in our public schools.
At the same time the rules are the rules and rules and they must be followed.
More difficult is the fact that this would really take advantage of less well off families. Stable strong families would not move around just for sports, unless they are already where they are because of sports. The last thing anyone needs is more Winstons and Detwilers finding ways to make things happen. "
At the same time the rules are the rules and rules and they must be followed.
More difficult is the fact that this would really take advantage of less well off families. Stable strong families would not move around just for sports, unless they are already where they are because of sports. The last thing anyone needs is more Winstons and Detwilers finding ways to make things happen. "
Y&N123 wrote on Sep 28, 2009 11:28 AM:
" One other thought: With all the state budgetary issues, maybe it's time to cut the sports programs completely and let them be run by parents and volunteers. The schools would have more funds for education and the parents can get involved physically rather than just verbally. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 28, 2009 11:43 AM:
" LOL and here comes our favorite loser, who even after the School Board and PIAA decided the issue finds fault with the victims.
Let's fix your dishonesty. The kid's father did tell them what he could afford and the coaches took care of it. Of course we have not quite found all the facts on that point. It is too bad The Phoenix or NBC10 have not done the job on that issue.
So was the father naive? Yes. More to the point are you something close to sewage for your continued stupid attacks? Absolutely.
Your buddies did wrong and your entire goal is about defending them when it is obvious they did some really quite rotten. "
Let's fix your dishonesty. The kid's father did tell them what he could afford and the coaches took care of it. Of course we have not quite found all the facts on that point. It is too bad The Phoenix or NBC10 have not done the job on that issue.
So was the father naive? Yes. More to the point are you something close to sewage for your continued stupid attacks? Absolutely.
Your buddies did wrong and your entire goal is about defending them when it is obvious they did some really quite rotten. "
123guy wrote on Sep 28, 2009 1:09 PM:
" Someone made a good point earlier...this is Bill Detwiler's second consecutive high school coaching job he was fired from. Seems to me he is not a good role model for high school students. Does anyone know why his previous school dismissed him? "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 28, 2009 5:03 PM:
" I think he has shown pretty well his character in this matter alone. "
eagleeye wrote on Sep 28, 2009 5:12 PM:
" Wow, how naive can people be?You are talking about the parent who never stood for the National Anthem,but could leap up and rant at officials aren't you? You are talking about the parent who had his kid work out for four other high schools before Phoenixville, aren't you?Isn't this the same parent who turned down a $500 apartment he could afford, because it was too small? Isn't this the same parent whose trying to get a 5th year of eligibility for his son , even though he played a year on Romans JV, two years as a sub at American Christian, and last year at Phoenixville? Isn't this the parent who changed his story so often to the PIAA representatives at the hearing that one rep stopped him in mid-sentence , stating , your testimony has me so mixed up, I only want to know if thats your signature on the lease, right next to the $900 rental fee, and if so, did you read what you signed?
The coaches were found guilty of recruiting. As one PIAA official whispered to me," a germ found its way into Phoenixville and instead of applying an antiseptic, the coaches nurtured it" Just about says it all doesn't it. "
The coaches were found guilty of recruiting. As one PIAA official whispered to me," a germ found its way into Phoenixville and instead of applying an antiseptic, the coaches nurtured it" Just about says it all doesn't it. "
eagleeye wrote on Sep 28, 2009 5:23 PM:
" 123guy I'm not sure if he was fired or if he resigned, but during the distict playoffs he lit a victory cigar after his scshool won its first ever district playoff game. Unfortunately he lit it in the opposing teams locker room and was turned in by one of the other teams coaches, resulting in his supension for two games. "
Former bench warmer wrote on Sep 28, 2009 5:44 PM:
" Eeye, is this true? No wonder why this boy has this bad act. Get them out of town .Does he still go to Pasd? "
eagleeye wrote on Sep 28, 2009 6:33 PM:
" Form Bench Wr--I imagine so. The school district solicitor has been hunting for a cheaper apartment for this family.Hmm isn't that why the coaches were fired? "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 28, 2009 7:38 PM:
" Wow, EagleScum you just keep going.
I think the biggest loser around is you. Your idiotic position lost, your cheating coaches lost, you were angry good people stood for what was right on the school board and now you can't hack PIAA did not back up the coaches who could have really messed things up for their team by their despicable and selfish choices.
You take being a loser to new lows by attacking the family who was used by these clowns.
You pose your despicable allegations as if you are in the know. Some how you want to get us all to believe the people you defend are not nearly as bad as they seem because the victims are some how worse.
Of course you are just a liar making up crap. For you to know all of this would make you the ultimate insider or a stalker. People go to games to see their kid's play, however, it would seem you went to games to see this man and his son.
I am voting for stalker, you are just another sicko. "
I think the biggest loser around is you. Your idiotic position lost, your cheating coaches lost, you were angry good people stood for what was right on the school board and now you can't hack PIAA did not back up the coaches who could have really messed things up for their team by their despicable and selfish choices.
You take being a loser to new lows by attacking the family who was used by these clowns.
You pose your despicable allegations as if you are in the know. Some how you want to get us all to believe the people you defend are not nearly as bad as they seem because the victims are some how worse.
Of course you are just a liar making up crap. For you to know all of this would make you the ultimate insider or a stalker. People go to games to see their kid's play, however, it would seem you went to games to see this man and his son.
I am voting for stalker, you are just another sicko. "
eagleeye wrote on Sep 28, 2009 10:15 PM:
" Charles Over--oops O, Amazing how everyone who who disputes your ravings, is either lying, a lunatic, sicko or whatever. I have attended Phx basketball games and its pretty easy to see one person sitting during the anthem.It does stick out. I was at the hearing, were you? If you were you would have heard the parent change his story three times.Its also common knowledge around the basketball world that this parent has been trying to get another year of eligibility for his son for the past two years. Call Thurman and ask how many schools this kid worked out for during the summer of '08.
The coaches were found guilty because they watched this kid play at the PAPA event, and helped him find an apartment. The coaches testified they did this. They never wavered in their testimony. In fact, the newly hired interim coach testified he was the one who took the family looking for an apartment.He was also suspended by the PIAA.He didn't know if it was a violation or not , but told the truth.Detweiler and Winston didn't know if they violated any rules or not, but told the truth.I can't say this for the School district solicitor who maintained that the school district first learned about these transgressions in July.The coaches had a copy of an email to school board members, and the solicitor, proving they were discussing it in during the basketball season in January and at that time, thought nothing of it.
The hearing was filmed. It would be very entertaining to show this on local TV. Taxpayers can watch the solicitors hands shaking as he reads his affidavits . I've never witnessed anything like that.They could hear the parent change his story, again and again.
In this case the old axiom, the truth hurts seems to be in vogue , both for the coaches and you Charles. "
The coaches were found guilty because they watched this kid play at the PAPA event, and helped him find an apartment. The coaches testified they did this. They never wavered in their testimony. In fact, the newly hired interim coach testified he was the one who took the family looking for an apartment.He was also suspended by the PIAA.He didn't know if it was a violation or not , but told the truth.Detweiler and Winston didn't know if they violated any rules or not, but told the truth.I can't say this for the School district solicitor who maintained that the school district first learned about these transgressions in July.The coaches had a copy of an email to school board members, and the solicitor, proving they were discussing it in during the basketball season in January and at that time, thought nothing of it.
The hearing was filmed. It would be very entertaining to show this on local TV. Taxpayers can watch the solicitors hands shaking as he reads his affidavits . I've never witnessed anything like that.They could hear the parent change his story, again and again.
In this case the old axiom, the truth hurts seems to be in vogue , both for the coaches and you Charles. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 28, 2009 11:55 PM:
" The truth? LOL, yeah let's all believe the source of truth is vermin like you. LOL...
Again I vote for stalker. We can all see you have a thing for the kid and his dad. How would you even know or care who they are when all this evil was going on?
Yes you have truth no one else does. Is it magic truth? Did you get your truth from the same guy who sold Jack his bean stalk beans?
Yes, we should all take to heart what you say...and then wish for the good old days when Pennhurst was the place for the loony tunes.
The coaches were held responsible because they wrong. I know you would expect someone to go and read Kenny and Bobby the whole rule book before we held them responsible for their actions. Gee, we would not want the coaches to do that on their own...Oh but wait, can you give us all the other examples where coaches recruit? Oh there are none...Something Bobby and Kenny made up themselves, so it was right.
Good thing you skipped over the troubling fact the kid was living with Kenny Winston while the arrangements were being worked out.
Oh yeah, and since when do coaches work out such details.
It is a good thing we have you to read everyone's mind! Wow you are so smart, the shaking hands...Can we toss that solicitor in jail?
LOL, the truth hurts? Well of course it does, you've spent so much time twisting it to fit your nutty version of the truth it is must hurt.
The kid is now a resident and there is nothing you can do about him. There is no reason to punish him.
Now how about you take a walk up to the sewage plant. I am certain you would be at home there. After all you are one giant turd.
The guys in the white hats won, the giant turds who want to victimize the victims lose. "
Again I vote for stalker. We can all see you have a thing for the kid and his dad. How would you even know or care who they are when all this evil was going on?
Yes you have truth no one else does. Is it magic truth? Did you get your truth from the same guy who sold Jack his bean stalk beans?
Yes, we should all take to heart what you say...and then wish for the good old days when Pennhurst was the place for the loony tunes.
The coaches were held responsible because they wrong. I know you would expect someone to go and read Kenny and Bobby the whole rule book before we held them responsible for their actions. Gee, we would not want the coaches to do that on their own...Oh but wait, can you give us all the other examples where coaches recruit? Oh there are none...Something Bobby and Kenny made up themselves, so it was right.
Good thing you skipped over the troubling fact the kid was living with Kenny Winston while the arrangements were being worked out.
Oh yeah, and since when do coaches work out such details.
It is a good thing we have you to read everyone's mind! Wow you are so smart, the shaking hands...Can we toss that solicitor in jail?
LOL, the truth hurts? Well of course it does, you've spent so much time twisting it to fit your nutty version of the truth it is must hurt.
The kid is now a resident and there is nothing you can do about him. There is no reason to punish him.
Now how about you take a walk up to the sewage plant. I am certain you would be at home there. After all you are one giant turd.
The guys in the white hats won, the giant turds who want to victimize the victims lose. "
eagleeye wrote on Sep 29, 2009 1:48 AM:
" Charles Overt--oops O, You continue to prove me right with your rantings and name calling. You never have info to refute what I write.You just keep ranting. Ken did testify that the kid lived at his house for a short time.This enabled the kid to start school on time. Big deal. Didn't a member of the school board have a student move in with them for a period of time in order to help the kid? If this is troubling to you I think your warped mind is swimming in that sewage plant you mentioned.
If you know anything about area basketball, you would know the teams that recruit. In your case you don't even follow Phoenixville basketball, so of course your clueless.If you had attended even one game, your image of this kid and his dad would be very different. Had you attended the playoff game vs Methacton ,where your boy showed despicable behavior, even you would have been disgusted. Oh, and I guess I'm making this stuff up too! Ask around Charlie. "
If you know anything about area basketball, you would know the teams that recruit. In your case you don't even follow Phoenixville basketball, so of course your clueless.If you had attended even one game, your image of this kid and his dad would be very different. Had you attended the playoff game vs Methacton ,where your boy showed despicable behavior, even you would have been disgusted. Oh, and I guess I'm making this stuff up too! Ask around Charlie. "
Irish wrote on Sep 29, 2009 7:31 AM:
" Finally, we have a superintendent, albeit an interim one who has the courage to stand up for what is right. Bravo for DR. Burke-Stevenson.
Are the 3 coaches still in the employ of the PASD? If so, I'd like to suggest a next step that all be removed from employment with the District.
How about the Principal and AD who supervised these folks? Are they still employed by the District? What action, if any, has been taken against them? "
Are the 3 coaches still in the employ of the PASD? If so, I'd like to suggest a next step that all be removed from employment with the District.
How about the Principal and AD who supervised these folks? Are they still employed by the District? What action, if any, has been taken against them? "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 29, 2009 8:50 AM:
" Eagle Loser there is nothing worse than someone who attacks kids, and you are it, the lowest of the low. The bottom crust at the sewage plant.
School District employees do not house employees. I guess in your sick world kids should be sleeping on District employee's couches. Kids belong with their parents not at Kenny's Flop House.
Ohhhhh, now everyone does it....I see and only Kenny and Bobby got caught.
So now in addition to scumming a kid and his dad, you are going to add every decent coach out there.
This is not about name calling, it is about giving a clear name to your character, well missing character.
This is not complicated. Three clowns wanted to win and didn't feel the obligation to follow the rules and make it work with the talent they had.
You are a loser making thoughtless remarks supporting the clowns.
That you insist on going after the kid just shows what you are. He is a kid, kids sometimes do things we don't like, and we forgive them and inspire them to be better.Well unless they are around jerks like you; they get to be condemned forever.
What you do is far worse than anything this kid or his dad has done. "
School District employees do not house employees. I guess in your sick world kids should be sleeping on District employee's couches. Kids belong with their parents not at Kenny's Flop House.
Ohhhhh, now everyone does it....I see and only Kenny and Bobby got caught.
So now in addition to scumming a kid and his dad, you are going to add every decent coach out there.
This is not about name calling, it is about giving a clear name to your character, well missing character.
This is not complicated. Three clowns wanted to win and didn't feel the obligation to follow the rules and make it work with the talent they had.
You are a loser making thoughtless remarks supporting the clowns.
That you insist on going after the kid just shows what you are. He is a kid, kids sometimes do things we don't like, and we forgive them and inspire them to be better.Well unless they are around jerks like you; they get to be condemned forever.
What you do is far worse than anything this kid or his dad has done. "
caffeinated wrote on Sep 29, 2009 9:21 AM:
" Please... stop with the name calling.
CharlesO: I don't disagree with you, the PIAA ruled that they were in violation. They are fired/suspended. Just punishment. But life isn't always so Black & White, and neither is this situation -- I do believe that there is more to this story.
Eagleye: I have witnessed the behavior of father and son (he is hardly a child, btw. I also think he may be over 18 too, but am not certain) and it was despicable and I have to question their motives for kicking up such a fuss. I have heard many of the same rumors, some from reliable sources, some not. I have to believe that there is some nuggets of truth here, too.
Now does questioning this make me a looney, a turd, vermin, stupid -- all of the names you call others? I'm just looking at the big picture and questioning a number of gray area in search of the whole story.
In addition, there are no "winners" and "losers" here. It's all a lousy situation and negative on the school and community. It does no good, Charles, to gloat and bait. It only fuels the argument. "
CharlesO: I don't disagree with you, the PIAA ruled that they were in violation. They are fired/suspended. Just punishment. But life isn't always so Black & White, and neither is this situation -- I do believe that there is more to this story.
Eagleye: I have witnessed the behavior of father and son (he is hardly a child, btw. I also think he may be over 18 too, but am not certain) and it was despicable and I have to question their motives for kicking up such a fuss. I have heard many of the same rumors, some from reliable sources, some not. I have to believe that there is some nuggets of truth here, too.
Now does questioning this make me a looney, a turd, vermin, stupid -- all of the names you call others? I'm just looking at the big picture and questioning a number of gray area in search of the whole story.
In addition, there are no "winners" and "losers" here. It's all a lousy situation and negative on the school and community. It does no good, Charles, to gloat and bait. It only fuels the argument. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 29, 2009 12:11 PM:
" Look, I neither gloat nor bait. It is wrong for anyone to come here and willfully mislead.
You cannot have an intelligent conversation with people who simply do not bother with facts. EagleScum has decided who the bad guys are everything he says takes him to the prejudiced conclusion he got to long ago. (See the article here: http://www.phoenixvillenews.com/articles/2009/08/12/news/srv0000006062970.txt )
I am not fueling the argument I am exposing utter willful ignorance. To treat Eagle Weasel an equal is to be dishonest ourselves. He adds nothing and attacks a kid and his dad while not demanding accountability for people who really did something quite awful.
As to your point. The reason the "fuss" was kicked up was because employees of PASD told a guy a non-profit would be helping with his rent. When that did not pan out he went to their supervisor wanting to know what was up. She kicked it to the Solicitor who did an investigation.
So do you have to question motives? Not really, what is at issue is the conduct of the coaches. If the kid was weaving baskets and his dad was blowing bubbles during games this is not relevant to the choices of the coaches.
However, the media has done an awful job. They basically reported the solicitor's findings and then the PIAA meeting and went no further.
Questions remain and were raised. IN the first report some non-profit was supposed to pick up the balance of the money the father could not pay. Who is the non-profit?
Where do they live now? If they have not paid $400 a month for nearly a year why did the landlord not move to evict? We still have not heard about an eviction proceeding and it is nearly a year. Did they move?
When this first came up I went to the PAPA website. Delores Winston was then listed as a Board Member and Assistant Treasurer. Not the case today.
Was money ever paid for this family's rent from a non-profit? If that happened you are now looking at criminal charges.
Of course there are unresolved issues of signing kids up for schools where parents do not reside. Keep in mind the original terminations involved violate of the School Code. Was this part of it?
Let's not forget the next shoe to drop. These are PASD employees who acted in their capacity as PASD employees and the PIAA said they were not being supervised.
The lawsuit is soon to come and, frankly, they should be looking at a settlement that ensures this kid can finish school in Phoenixville. "
You cannot have an intelligent conversation with people who simply do not bother with facts. EagleScum has decided who the bad guys are everything he says takes him to the prejudiced conclusion he got to long ago. (See the article here: http://www.phoenixvillenews.com/articles/2009/08/12/news/srv0000006062970.txt )
I am not fueling the argument I am exposing utter willful ignorance. To treat Eagle Weasel an equal is to be dishonest ourselves. He adds nothing and attacks a kid and his dad while not demanding accountability for people who really did something quite awful.
As to your point. The reason the "fuss" was kicked up was because employees of PASD told a guy a non-profit would be helping with his rent. When that did not pan out he went to their supervisor wanting to know what was up. She kicked it to the Solicitor who did an investigation.
So do you have to question motives? Not really, what is at issue is the conduct of the coaches. If the kid was weaving baskets and his dad was blowing bubbles during games this is not relevant to the choices of the coaches.
However, the media has done an awful job. They basically reported the solicitor's findings and then the PIAA meeting and went no further.
Questions remain and were raised. IN the first report some non-profit was supposed to pick up the balance of the money the father could not pay. Who is the non-profit?
Where do they live now? If they have not paid $400 a month for nearly a year why did the landlord not move to evict? We still have not heard about an eviction proceeding and it is nearly a year. Did they move?
When this first came up I went to the PAPA website. Delores Winston was then listed as a Board Member and Assistant Treasurer. Not the case today.
Was money ever paid for this family's rent from a non-profit? If that happened you are now looking at criminal charges.
Of course there are unresolved issues of signing kids up for schools where parents do not reside. Keep in mind the original terminations involved violate of the School Code. Was this part of it?
Let's not forget the next shoe to drop. These are PASD employees who acted in their capacity as PASD employees and the PIAA said they were not being supervised.
The lawsuit is soon to come and, frankly, they should be looking at a settlement that ensures this kid can finish school in Phoenixville. "
eagleeye wrote on Sep 29, 2009 2:07 PM:
" Charles Overto-oops O,your questions prove you know so little about this episode. If you had attended the hearing you would have seen the media, camera's and all, in the room. The parent, to say the least, did not testify well. Maybe this is why the media dropped this story, who knows.
The non-profit was Orion,who subsidize rental fees for the needy.The parent never filled out the necessary forms, thus no assistance and no payment of $400/month.Eviction notices started in December, with eviction in July.The school solicitor is looking for housing in the Phoenixville area. The violated school code was apparently cursing.
Lets talk about willfully misleading statements. You now attack Dolores Winston , who has nothing to do with any of this . What a hypocrite you are.I challenge you to refute , with facts, any of my statements.Please, don't waste time with name calling, it only proves I how easily I can get under your skin. "
The non-profit was Orion,who subsidize rental fees for the needy.The parent never filled out the necessary forms, thus no assistance and no payment of $400/month.Eviction notices started in December, with eviction in July.The school solicitor is looking for housing in the Phoenixville area. The violated school code was apparently cursing.
Lets talk about willfully misleading statements. You now attack Dolores Winston , who has nothing to do with any of this . What a hypocrite you are.I challenge you to refute , with facts, any of my statements.Please, don't waste time with name calling, it only proves I how easily I can get under your skin. "
Steve wrote on Sep 29, 2009 2:25 PM:
" Charles O, while I agree that these guys were clearly in the wrong and deserved to get fired, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Ken Winston and his family. You posted about 50 times on the first story and here you are again going on and on ripping the Winston family.
Winston was fired, the coach was fired. The PIAA backed the school board. Time to let it go and move on. You are only making a fool of yourself with all of the hate. Like I said before, if you have this much beef with Ken Winston, man up and say it to his face. It's easy to be tough on the internet. Something tells me you wouldn't say most of this stuff to anyone face-to-face.
Seek some help to get over your hate and anger. Maybe then you will be happy.
Peace. "
Winston was fired, the coach was fired. The PIAA backed the school board. Time to let it go and move on. You are only making a fool of yourself with all of the hate. Like I said before, if you have this much beef with Ken Winston, man up and say it to his face. It's easy to be tough on the internet. Something tells me you wouldn't say most of this stuff to anyone face-to-face.
Seek some help to get over your hate and anger. Maybe then you will be happy.
Peace. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 29, 2009 3:09 PM:
" EagleSludge I know in your little world you sit in the center and all your minions come to bring you tribute.
Out here in the real world you are really not that important and if you think I am actually angry or that you are under my skin, well, you overrate your own importance. I think smart people reading your trash can see the loon in you. I just make it easier.
If you were interested in facts I would think you would agree with me that we need to get all the facts out.
Fact number one is Orion would not be paying any of his rent, they can assist in limited ways, but an ongoing $400 a month, not happening.
Fact number two is there is no attack on Delores. I made the observation when this kerfuffle began she was an assistant treasurer. That has now changed.
Fact number three if you knew Charles Overt-oops you would readily know he is hardly capable of this level of conversation. Maybe it is time to change your name to Clouded Eye...LOL that is great you are so clueless.
Check the law. Eviction does not take 6 months...Call the DJ's office and see how long it takes...About a month. Yet this also goes to show how you fill in facts where they do not exist. No one has said their was an eviction but you. Of course Orion does not own the property, either.
If you were a thoughtful person you would want answers for the sake of the people you blindly defend. If they are innocent of anything I would think you would like to get the word out.
Of course it is easier to run your yap and pretend...So I will wait to see you post the correct docket number for the eviction.
And Steve, really, try using your other half a wit to work something out in that small mind of yours. "
Out here in the real world you are really not that important and if you think I am actually angry or that you are under my skin, well, you overrate your own importance. I think smart people reading your trash can see the loon in you. I just make it easier.
If you were interested in facts I would think you would agree with me that we need to get all the facts out.
Fact number one is Orion would not be paying any of his rent, they can assist in limited ways, but an ongoing $400 a month, not happening.
Fact number two is there is no attack on Delores. I made the observation when this kerfuffle began she was an assistant treasurer. That has now changed.
Fact number three if you knew Charles Overt-oops you would readily know he is hardly capable of this level of conversation. Maybe it is time to change your name to Clouded Eye...LOL that is great you are so clueless.
Check the law. Eviction does not take 6 months...Call the DJ's office and see how long it takes...About a month. Yet this also goes to show how you fill in facts where they do not exist. No one has said their was an eviction but you. Of course Orion does not own the property, either.
If you were a thoughtful person you would want answers for the sake of the people you blindly defend. If they are innocent of anything I would think you would like to get the word out.
Of course it is easier to run your yap and pretend...So I will wait to see you post the correct docket number for the eviction.
And Steve, really, try using your other half a wit to work something out in that small mind of yours. "
josie wrote on Sep 29, 2009 3:44 PM:
" Oh Charles. Getting me and everybody all hot and bothered over this situation.
Last week, you wasted all your time blabbing about nepotism on the schoolboard and it was all untrue.
You must get out of your mother's basement. "
Last week, you wasted all your time blabbing about nepotism on the schoolboard and it was all untrue.
You must get out of your mother's basement. "
Steve wrote on Sep 29, 2009 3:52 PM:
" CharlesO, you have proven to be a stone cold coward. You call people names online but are scared to death to say this stuff face-to-face. I only hope that we one day find out who you really are so you can be held accountable; along with "Chris" and "Former Bench Warmer", the two other internet tough guys who post here.
Either step up and say who you really are you shut up!
I have wasted enough time on you.
Peace out. "
Either step up and say who you really are you shut up!
I have wasted enough time on you.
Peace out. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 29, 2009 4:37 PM:
" LOL, yes when your argument falls flat go to mind reading.
You are right I am terrified of you and your friends. This is what it is all about. It is not about pointing out how EagleSludge goes after a kid and his dad making accusations to excuse the misdeeds of others.
Yup you are one great mind reader there, Steve. I was just saying to myself I am really scared of some loser finding out who I am so he will come and beat me up.
LOL, I mean what a clown. Are you really some kind of frustrated bully who cannot reach the people he has decided must shut up? Do you really think you even matter? LOL, wow.
Your majesty can now take his ball and go home, you have declared whatever you think happened here over. WHO CARES? Do you think people live for your comments?
It is not your place to hold anyone accountable for anything.
In the end truth and justice won, the losers lost, and the cyber half wits did, too. This is why you are going away, you have nothing to add that even makes any sense. "
You are right I am terrified of you and your friends. This is what it is all about. It is not about pointing out how EagleSludge goes after a kid and his dad making accusations to excuse the misdeeds of others.
Yup you are one great mind reader there, Steve. I was just saying to myself I am really scared of some loser finding out who I am so he will come and beat me up.
LOL, I mean what a clown. Are you really some kind of frustrated bully who cannot reach the people he has decided must shut up? Do you really think you even matter? LOL, wow.
Your majesty can now take his ball and go home, you have declared whatever you think happened here over. WHO CARES? Do you think people live for your comments?
It is not your place to hold anyone accountable for anything.
In the end truth and justice won, the losers lost, and the cyber half wits did, too. This is why you are going away, you have nothing to add that even makes any sense. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 29, 2009 4:42 PM:
" Josie if someone is hot and bothered it is you.
This is hilarious, what is to get angry about? The bad guys lost, the trolls have been put in their place on this site, and all is well with the world.
The nepotism was not the issue, it was the character of a member of the Board voting for her daughter to get cash. I raised the point it was worthy of discussion and did not make any definitive statement of what I believed was right. I simply pointed out honest people can talk about it and the Board Member was highly intolerant of the discussion.
Again is it a big deal in the grand scheme of things? Nope. That Board Member will lose her seat if she keeps messing around with the folks. In the meantime she is shown for her ignorance toward the voters she should be serving.
I just add facts and play a great game of "Vex the Loons." "
This is hilarious, what is to get angry about? The bad guys lost, the trolls have been put in their place on this site, and all is well with the world.
The nepotism was not the issue, it was the character of a member of the Board voting for her daughter to get cash. I raised the point it was worthy of discussion and did not make any definitive statement of what I believed was right. I simply pointed out honest people can talk about it and the Board Member was highly intolerant of the discussion.
Again is it a big deal in the grand scheme of things? Nope. That Board Member will lose her seat if she keeps messing around with the folks. In the meantime she is shown for her ignorance toward the voters she should be serving.
I just add facts and play a great game of "Vex the Loons." "
Former bench warmer wrote on Sep 29, 2009 5:43 PM:
" Little stevie , why you calling me names again? Iam not the one who hates everybody. Iam a nice guy .You are the one who allways crying and name calling . Why you hateing on me again. I see you must have not gotten elp for your complex. The one that makes you think everybody is trying to get you.Please little guy , go get help.Oh your the one who sholud be held accountable with all the hating you do.Grow up, kid "
Former bench warmer wrote on Sep 29, 2009 5:45 PM:
" Go head , tell me what bad grammar ,i have.plus bad spellig. Help stevie , get some. "
Y&N123 wrote on Sep 29, 2009 10:59 PM:
" Charles0- Why does this matter to you so much? It seems you are obsessed. You call Eagle a Know it All but what about you? Why are you unwilling to think that MAYBE the coaches didn't intentionally do wrong? Isn't it possible that good people can make errors in judgement, be it either trusting people or sincerely wanting to help? Isn't it remotely possible that "the family" isn't pure and without some blame? Did you ever hear even once that the coaches protested the PIAA decision? Haven't they accepted their fate and weren't they the ones who wanted the hearing open to the public so no one could accuse them of hiding anything? You haven't seen the full PIAA report which places responsibility in many hands other than the coaches. Is that so inconceivable to you? Why do you despise them so? You claim to be a compassionate man/person who's cared for many, many children. Who did you wrong to make you so hateful? All the facts are not out and maybe they never will be. It's great to have an opinion but to belittle and degrade those who's opinions differ from yours is just not smart, fair, open minded or bode well for us to believe that you are the selfless person you claim to be. Wow Charles. You need anger management. And soon. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 30, 2009 1:28 AM:
" First of all I have not accused EagleSleeze of being a "Know it All" it is far more accurate to call him a "Make it Up All."
Yes the coaches knew what they were doing. Read the PIAA rule book, recruiting is very prominent.
More to the point, coaches are part of a large corps of people. Each sport, each school has its coaches. There is no reason for anyone involved in coaching school sports to think what they were doing was right, IF ONLY for the fact it is not happening elsewhere. It is the utter lack of an example of the practice elsewhere that should clue them in.
It is like the people who defended the cursing. I was reading the Board minutes where another coach said he has never cursed the kids.
Yet there is more...Whatever made Kenny Winston move the kid into his house? How often do Coaches get involved with finding people homes? Why would a coach be contacted when a parent's rent was not getting paid?
And that is a key point because Orion Communities serves people who are covered by confidentially laws. To even call a coach is off base.
I also think if you read back on what I have written, I have been very critical of the role Kenny Winston has played in the schools. In his case he was given responsibility beyond his education. He has not completed his education and the grant funding that pays his salary simply ignores the standards they apply to the position would never be funded by current standards.
Kenny even sits on the Board of his grant funder. For some time his mom was Assistant Treasurer of his employer.
Get it, the money starts from The Phoenixville Area Health Foundation where he sits on the Board, it then goes to PAPA, where he sits on the Board (so does Mom) and finally it ends up in his pocket.
This is a person whom some have said has a history of being a drug user (I don't know this, it was raised by his defenders), and we certainly know while he held an important position in the schools he was arrested on felony charges of bouncing checks.
In the 10 plus years he has been in the position he currently holds he has not finished his education.
I have no hate for Kenny. In reality people have given him so much more than he can handle without requiring him to meet standards. Fine fund the grant, but tell him he needs to get the degrees and he needs to do it in X period of time. Get real learning under his belt.
I am also deeply troubled when I hear people suggest their lives are ruined. He holds a position in the community, he is not indispensable.
AS for the other comments. It is wrong for people to come here and scum around on the father and the son. I have yet to see you rise up and demand that behavior stop, nope, you demand I accept this sewage and treat these comments as serious. They are not. These are loony intolerant people who've made a judgment using fantasy facts only they seem to have, and then judge the kid and his dad.
If there is anyone who would not know the rules it would be the kid and his dad. When will you stand up against the crap here?
Oh yeah, that does not fit your prejudiced position. My fault.
As I said I am not angry. I am on the winning side. I was right, the rest of you are wrong. The loons do not own this forum and on this issue they will not win this discussion. "
Yes the coaches knew what they were doing. Read the PIAA rule book, recruiting is very prominent.
More to the point, coaches are part of a large corps of people. Each sport, each school has its coaches. There is no reason for anyone involved in coaching school sports to think what they were doing was right, IF ONLY for the fact it is not happening elsewhere. It is the utter lack of an example of the practice elsewhere that should clue them in.
It is like the people who defended the cursing. I was reading the Board minutes where another coach said he has never cursed the kids.
Yet there is more...Whatever made Kenny Winston move the kid into his house? How often do Coaches get involved with finding people homes? Why would a coach be contacted when a parent's rent was not getting paid?
And that is a key point because Orion Communities serves people who are covered by confidentially laws. To even call a coach is off base.
I also think if you read back on what I have written, I have been very critical of the role Kenny Winston has played in the schools. In his case he was given responsibility beyond his education. He has not completed his education and the grant funding that pays his salary simply ignores the standards they apply to the position would never be funded by current standards.
Kenny even sits on the Board of his grant funder. For some time his mom was Assistant Treasurer of his employer.
Get it, the money starts from The Phoenixville Area Health Foundation where he sits on the Board, it then goes to PAPA, where he sits on the Board (so does Mom) and finally it ends up in his pocket.
This is a person whom some have said has a history of being a drug user (I don't know this, it was raised by his defenders), and we certainly know while he held an important position in the schools he was arrested on felony charges of bouncing checks.
In the 10 plus years he has been in the position he currently holds he has not finished his education.
I have no hate for Kenny. In reality people have given him so much more than he can handle without requiring him to meet standards. Fine fund the grant, but tell him he needs to get the degrees and he needs to do it in X period of time. Get real learning under his belt.
I am also deeply troubled when I hear people suggest their lives are ruined. He holds a position in the community, he is not indispensable.
AS for the other comments. It is wrong for people to come here and scum around on the father and the son. I have yet to see you rise up and demand that behavior stop, nope, you demand I accept this sewage and treat these comments as serious. They are not. These are loony intolerant people who've made a judgment using fantasy facts only they seem to have, and then judge the kid and his dad.
If there is anyone who would not know the rules it would be the kid and his dad. When will you stand up against the crap here?
Oh yeah, that does not fit your prejudiced position. My fault.
As I said I am not angry. I am on the winning side. I was right, the rest of you are wrong. The loons do not own this forum and on this issue they will not win this discussion. "
Larry C. wrote on Sep 30, 2009 8:31 AM:
" After reading these comments, I have come to the conclusion that CharlesO is a mentally unstable person who has some sort of personal problem with Ken Winston. He has attacked every person here, even though many of them agree that the coaches deserved to be fired. Most of us just do understand the level of hate CharlesO has for Mr. Winston. Did he do something to you or your family?
The final tip off that this man is unstable was his delusional rant about "being on the winning side and not letting the loons win this arguement". What does that even mean? Last I checked, there are no "winners or losers" on a message board, just people posting their opinions. CharlesO, I agree with the others who stated that you should seek out some mental health counseling. Living with so much hate in your heart isn't a good thing. If you feel the need to call anyone who doesn't agree with you a "loon", maybe you need to take a look in the mirror. I really hope you don't have children as it would be a sin to have to exposed to such hate. "
The final tip off that this man is unstable was his delusional rant about "being on the winning side and not letting the loons win this arguement". What does that even mean? Last I checked, there are no "winners or losers" on a message board, just people posting their opinions. CharlesO, I agree with the others who stated that you should seek out some mental health counseling. Living with so much hate in your heart isn't a good thing. If you feel the need to call anyone who doesn't agree with you a "loon", maybe you need to take a look in the mirror. I really hope you don't have children as it would be a sin to have to exposed to such hate. "
YN123 wrote on Sep 30, 2009 9:37 AM:
" One more thought Charlie, the Dad certainly knows the PIAA rules when it comes to eligibility. He's known since the kid was old enough to hold a basketball how long he'd have to play and yet, here he is; announcing his intentions to get one more thing he really doesn't deserve. A 5th year to play. How can one family be so "entitled" as to expect rent payment and extended priviledges by the PIAA? So don't kid yourself or these readers that he didn't know the rules and was duped. As for the coaches, they should've known the rules but I'm contending that since the kid wasn't enrolled in any other school, needed a home, needed an education and a chance....perhaps they really didn't see helping out as a violation of anything or anyone. As for Ken having him live in his house, what's the difference between him and you housing your brood? Helping out is helping out. Let's not forget that the kid would've been WAY behind everyone else academically if he hadn't started school on time as his school was closed. The Dad had no problem with his son living for free with Kenny or anyone for that matter and the Dad knew that falling behind academically would mean being ineligible to play in the fall. So where's the harm and the foul? It was only a problem when the family didn't live up to their own responsibilities and make the effort to help themselves. The kid was a huge behavior problem due to the Dad's entitlement attitudes. There's more than enough blame to go around and both sides have it. It's just a shame that something so ordinary as a kid going to school has turned out to be such a circus. I guess it just wasn't enough for the family to have the school be embarrassed, the coaches fired, the team unravelled, the successful program be demolished, and the huge amount of lawyer fees dumped on the taxpayers. Now they want more. A 5th year. And for them, it was all free. When will enough be enough? "
Larry C. wrote on Sep 30, 2009 10:17 AM:
" Here is the coaches side of the story-
http://www.pottsmerc.com/articles/2009/09/30/news/srv0000006477049.txt
While he admits he made "mistakes", it's mostly a lot of double talk and excuses. He claims he was offered a college job but "decided" to take the year off. Yeah right! What college would hire a tainted coach who just got canned from a high school job for ethics violations? It would be a PR nightmare. This Detwiler character sounds almost as delusional as CharlesO. Almost. "
http://www.pottsmerc.com/articles/2009/09/30/news/srv0000006477049.txt
While he admits he made "mistakes", it's mostly a lot of double talk and excuses. He claims he was offered a college job but "decided" to take the year off. Yeah right! What college would hire a tainted coach who just got canned from a high school job for ethics violations? It would be a PR nightmare. This Detwiler character sounds almost as delusional as CharlesO. Almost. "
caffeinated wrote on Sep 30, 2009 10:31 AM:
" Charles0: Your post from Sep 30, 2009 1:28 AM was the most constructive post that I have read from you... until the end. You do realize that if you keep the editorializing and name calling out of it, people would respect your opinion more. "
YN123 wrote on Sep 30, 2009 11:46 AM:
" Larry C- what college coaches would hire him? Almost any. They love a coach with passion and a winning record for seven years running. They were once high school coaches too and know all too well the nonsense surrounding the coddled parents and players and understand the double standards of recruitment. How about the Catholic leagues and Division 12? They're under the PIAA jurisdiction. Are you going to tell me that they don't recruit? AB Carroll had 5 guys commuting from Delaware to play on their team and the PIAA turns a blind eye. Not to say that PASD didn't accidentally violate. Just be sure you know the standards before you go calling names. And cursing in the locker room is hardly an ethics issue. Just turn on the TV and your ears will be burning from all the vial language. Why aren't all you that are offended by profanity up in arms over the media as well? Music, videos, TV, pro athletes, celebrities, etc. A little locker room chatter is hardly criminal. And the coach that said he "never" cursed...???? Hmmm. It's all in the interpretation of what someone considers a curse word. Kind of like what Bill Clinton considered sexual relations. Yuk yuk. "
eagleeye wrote on Sep 30, 2009 12:44 PM:
" Detweiler was offered a job at a D3 school whose head coach was the former Perk Valley coach.
Don't you people realize that the area coaches knew of this parent's reputation? Last Thursday night over 25 college coaches were at Malvern Preps shootout and a popular topic was the Phoenixville mess. They all realized Detweiler and his staff made mistakes and the penalty was warranted,but one coach summarized it best when he said of old man Harper,"when you allow something cancerous to enter your body, the results can be fatal." "
Don't you people realize that the area coaches knew of this parent's reputation? Last Thursday night over 25 college coaches were at Malvern Preps shootout and a popular topic was the Phoenixville mess. They all realized Detweiler and his staff made mistakes and the penalty was warranted,but one coach summarized it best when he said of old man Harper,"when you allow something cancerous to enter your body, the results can be fatal." "
Larry C. wrote on Sep 30, 2009 12:59 PM:
" YN123, I'm not really all that interested in this either way so this will be my last post on this matter.You like CharlesO, appear to have some sort of direct involvement in this situation, only you are pro coach while CharlesO is anti-coach (and anti-social). Why else would you defend a guy like Detwiler who was found gulity of breaking several PIAA regs by two seperate groups (PASD Board and PIAA)?
Sorry but I do not beleive for a second any college offered Detwiler a job after he was fired. There are many, many coaches in the region with "passion and a winning record" available who won't bring this kind of baggage. Not to mention in this economy, why would anyone choose to be unemployed? I think Detwiler's ego is too big to admit that he his finished as a coach. He is most likely finished as a teacher as well because no High School would want to bring in a guy who was formally suspended for a year by the PIAA. Hopefully, he has saved for retirement or has some other skills.
Like others have said, there are no "winners" here. The kid they recruited can't play high school ball anymore and will most likely struggle to deal with stigma of this situation. The Father by all accounts appears to be a lazy deadbeat who was looking to his son's playing ability to pay his rent (how many responsible adults do you know that would move their kid to a place they can't afford just to play basketball? - Does this guy even have a job?), and the coaches who were fired will most likely NEVER be allowed to coach in the PIAA again.
Like Forest said, "Stupid is as stupid does". "
Sorry but I do not beleive for a second any college offered Detwiler a job after he was fired. There are many, many coaches in the region with "passion and a winning record" available who won't bring this kind of baggage. Not to mention in this economy, why would anyone choose to be unemployed? I think Detwiler's ego is too big to admit that he his finished as a coach. He is most likely finished as a teacher as well because no High School would want to bring in a guy who was formally suspended for a year by the PIAA. Hopefully, he has saved for retirement or has some other skills.
Like others have said, there are no "winners" here. The kid they recruited can't play high school ball anymore and will most likely struggle to deal with stigma of this situation. The Father by all accounts appears to be a lazy deadbeat who was looking to his son's playing ability to pay his rent (how many responsible adults do you know that would move their kid to a place they can't afford just to play basketball? - Does this guy even have a job?), and the coaches who were fired will most likely NEVER be allowed to coach in the PIAA again.
Like Forest said, "Stupid is as stupid does". "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 30, 2009 3:07 PM:
" Caffeinated, your kind words are noted. I respectfully note you are wrong. When you read most of what the other side (here) says, it is all nonsense attacking the kid and his father.
This kind of sludge must be answered in such a way that their intentions are fully exposed and ridiculed for the idiotic nature of the comments.
The answer is not now, nor has it ever been to attack the father and his son. So far no authority of any kind has seen fit to address them in any way, yet we have sewer rats who bring them in anyway as if somehow how evil the father and son are negates what these coaches did.
Well if the coaches followed the rules they would not be here, so lay off.
And we have heard from the Great Larry who has made his last post. Of course Larry just misses everything I've said. Perhaps a few days in 2nd grade will help him learn to read.
How do you know this man? From those who come here and attack people? He appears to be a lazy deadbeat? What does that have to do with anything?
And you mispresent what the man said and the record. Remember Kenny and Bobby did not defend themselves in the PASD hearing. Dad is saying up front he could not afford it. They said they would make it work.
The fact is anyone who gets a shot at getting their kids out of the cesspool that is Philly and its schools would jump at the chance. They played this man and here you come with another attack.
These were PASD employees with a kid sleeping at his house, helping people find a place to live, recruiting. PASD blew it because these clowns were not supervised properly.
And here comes some idgit like Larry actually going after the victim.
If Kenny and Bobby kept their yaps shut they would be coaching and you would not have to worry about this man or his son. "
This kind of sludge must be answered in such a way that their intentions are fully exposed and ridiculed for the idiotic nature of the comments.
The answer is not now, nor has it ever been to attack the father and his son. So far no authority of any kind has seen fit to address them in any way, yet we have sewer rats who bring them in anyway as if somehow how evil the father and son are negates what these coaches did.
Well if the coaches followed the rules they would not be here, so lay off.
And we have heard from the Great Larry who has made his last post. Of course Larry just misses everything I've said. Perhaps a few days in 2nd grade will help him learn to read.
How do you know this man? From those who come here and attack people? He appears to be a lazy deadbeat? What does that have to do with anything?
And you mispresent what the man said and the record. Remember Kenny and Bobby did not defend themselves in the PASD hearing. Dad is saying up front he could not afford it. They said they would make it work.
The fact is anyone who gets a shot at getting their kids out of the cesspool that is Philly and its schools would jump at the chance. They played this man and here you come with another attack.
These were PASD employees with a kid sleeping at his house, helping people find a place to live, recruiting. PASD blew it because these clowns were not supervised properly.
And here comes some idgit like Larry actually going after the victim.
If Kenny and Bobby kept their yaps shut they would be coaching and you would not have to worry about this man or his son. "
eagleeye wrote on Sep 30, 2009 3:42 PM:
" Charlie overt--oops O you accuse all who disagree with you of personal attacks, yet you find no problem attacking an innocent woman!You don't even realize she is Ken's sister, not his mother.She has nothing to do with this mess yet you throw out innuendos to make her look guilty of something.Real manly of you to slander an innocent woman!Hey I admit I don't like a this parent. He had his kid enrolled in a basketball warehouse with no academic credibility that leaves him a year behind credit wise.Then when the school closes, shops him around for basketball purposes again, leaving him unregistered at any school as late as two weeks before opening bell. Then of course those horrible Phx coaches got him to, as you said, move out of his comfort zone and used him.Yea, I guess having to study in order to play was shocking. I also have major problems with people who refuse to stand during the National Anthem. Of course to you thats only like blowing bubbles. The worst thing Ken did was to not enroll this dad in his Fathers workshop.Who can like this guy?
Charlie, you have the tendencies of an unpatriotic coward with a narcissistic personality disorder. Your shrink must think he's in heaven.You not only need a course in anger management, but a course in logic would be most helpful. In fact maybe you should take up self defense also so Dolores won't slap you silly when she finds out who you are. "
Charlie, you have the tendencies of an unpatriotic coward with a narcissistic personality disorder. Your shrink must think he's in heaven.You not only need a course in anger management, but a course in logic would be most helpful. In fact maybe you should take up self defense also so Dolores won't slap you silly when she finds out who you are. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 30, 2009 7:12 PM:
" Okay EagleLoser, his sister was once the assistant treasurer, she was on the web site as such and now is not. Oh boy...Wow, that changes everything.
The point doofus is he has a relative on the Board and we have an open question of money.
I am not Charles Overton dumb bell. You'll note my character does not include stabbing tires and getting arrested for giving kids booze like Chuckie. It is neat how you are corrected now twice but are too dumb to figure it out. You are clearly not talking to an unemployed pot smoking booze guzzling kid. Well we all knew you cannot read the clues right....
I did not slander Ms Winston. I noted it is interesting she was listed as a Board Member and Assistant Treasurer when this all came out. This is not longer the case. It is you who adds some dark motive to a statement of fact.
My point is the right thing to do is to get this totally aired out. Was PAPA or the Althletic Boosters in any way involved with the Detwiler/Winston Follies? What is the involvement of Orion Communities?
I ignore most of what you said. As I said earlier, you are little more than a wacky stalker if you paid so close attention to these two people whenever they were in public. It is interesting you have so much information ready to trash people well after the season ends. Do you have records on everyone just in case?
I think you are full of it when it comes to standing for the National Anthem. Yet it has nothing to do with anything. Whatever you have a problem with does not make your attacking these people with your fantasy facts.
You do not have information on where the kid was going to go before Kenny and Bobby got involved and present a conspiracy as fact.
Do you even know what a narcissistic personality disorder is? I doubt it.
I have the tendencies of an unpatriotic coward? LOL, well, you seem to think I am a 23 year old N'er do well and you are 800 miles off on that point.
You actually think I am mad? LOL, you are clown and you and your friends put on a great show as you drive up in the Phoenixville Former Pennhurst Resident's Clown Car and put on this hilarious performance.
It is true you are little more than dog droppings at the park, and I am good at pointing it out; but you are hardly worth being angry with you.
In the end, oh supreme doofus, my position has won completely. You are a loser trying to pull others in to somehow make sense about what Kenny and Bobby did. Don't you get it? People like you are just trash on the highway, there is no point in your opening your yap because you will just be ignored.
This is what happens to loons.
And I like how you accuse me of attacking Delores, then you seem to suggest she is some kind of thug. Nice. "
The point doofus is he has a relative on the Board and we have an open question of money.
I am not Charles Overton dumb bell. You'll note my character does not include stabbing tires and getting arrested for giving kids booze like Chuckie. It is neat how you are corrected now twice but are too dumb to figure it out. You are clearly not talking to an unemployed pot smoking booze guzzling kid. Well we all knew you cannot read the clues right....
I did not slander Ms Winston. I noted it is interesting she was listed as a Board Member and Assistant Treasurer when this all came out. This is not longer the case. It is you who adds some dark motive to a statement of fact.
My point is the right thing to do is to get this totally aired out. Was PAPA or the Althletic Boosters in any way involved with the Detwiler/Winston Follies? What is the involvement of Orion Communities?
I ignore most of what you said. As I said earlier, you are little more than a wacky stalker if you paid so close attention to these two people whenever they were in public. It is interesting you have so much information ready to trash people well after the season ends. Do you have records on everyone just in case?
I think you are full of it when it comes to standing for the National Anthem. Yet it has nothing to do with anything. Whatever you have a problem with does not make your attacking these people with your fantasy facts.
You do not have information on where the kid was going to go before Kenny and Bobby got involved and present a conspiracy as fact.
Do you even know what a narcissistic personality disorder is? I doubt it.
I have the tendencies of an unpatriotic coward? LOL, well, you seem to think I am a 23 year old N'er do well and you are 800 miles off on that point.
You actually think I am mad? LOL, you are clown and you and your friends put on a great show as you drive up in the Phoenixville Former Pennhurst Resident's Clown Car and put on this hilarious performance.
It is true you are little more than dog droppings at the park, and I am good at pointing it out; but you are hardly worth being angry with you.
In the end, oh supreme doofus, my position has won completely. You are a loser trying to pull others in to somehow make sense about what Kenny and Bobby did. Don't you get it? People like you are just trash on the highway, there is no point in your opening your yap because you will just be ignored.
This is what happens to loons.
And I like how you accuse me of attacking Delores, then you seem to suggest she is some kind of thug. Nice. "
paulbunyan wrote on Sep 30, 2009 9:08 PM:
" STOP. Everyone just stop talking this is going no where. Just Stop. Charles O is a very sad individual and doesn't deserve the attention you are giving him on this blog as this seems to be the highlight of his life. So lets just call it quits with talking to him, please...NO MORE. "
Y&N123 wrote on Sep 30, 2009 9:23 PM:
" Paulbunyan, I agree with you. But just so you know that Charles has no idea of whom he's talking about...the coaches name is not Bobby. It's Bill. Anyone reading this junk, please be assured that Charles0 has no idea of whom he's talking about and it's very sad and desparate. I agree with paulbunyan. Log Off. "
CharlesO wrote on Sep 30, 2009 9:52 PM:
" I love how you geniuses come after me. How wrong is it to use the wrongdoing of BOBBY and Kenny as an opportunity to go after the kid and his dad.
None of you have the class to tell the scum who bring them into it.
Do you have to class to read what I wrote and tell the sewage on this forum I did not, IN ANY WAY, attack Delores Winston?
NO. Your are as big a loser as the sewage who comes here to twist up facts. You have no sense of honor.
I will talk as long as I choose, contrary to the sewage position this remains a free country.
Go run away, you have nothing to say. When confronted with actual facts the yellow streak on your backs glows for all to see. You are too cowardly to even tell your sewer friends to knock it off. It is okay to attack the kid and his dad, it is okay to actually accuse me and the father of being unpatriotic.
Losers run away, so run far and run wide. I will be here making sure the truth gets out and the toads are held to account. "
None of you have the class to tell the scum who bring them into it.
Do you have to class to read what I wrote and tell the sewage on this forum I did not, IN ANY WAY, attack Delores Winston?
NO. Your are as big a loser as the sewage who comes here to twist up facts. You have no sense of honor.
I will talk as long as I choose, contrary to the sewage position this remains a free country.
Go run away, you have nothing to say. When confronted with actual facts the yellow streak on your backs glows for all to see. You are too cowardly to even tell your sewer friends to knock it off. It is okay to attack the kid and his dad, it is okay to actually accuse me and the father of being unpatriotic.
Losers run away, so run far and run wide. I will be here making sure the truth gets out and the toads are held to account. "
eagleeye wrote on Sep 30, 2009 11:22 PM:
" Wow, Charles O sr., you just proved me right once again.Read what you just wrote. You just displayed all the symptoms of someone with narcissistic personality disorder. What's disturbing is someone in this condition wouldn't have cowardly tendencies such as you.Thus your shrink must list you under a different category. He/she will probably choose WACKO!Seriously, get help.
Paul and YN , I agree with you, but had to ask if anyone heard Ken Winston on talk radio today. Would like to know what he said. "
Paul and YN , I agree with you, but had to ask if anyone heard Ken Winston on talk radio today. Would like to know what he said. "
CharlesO wrote on Oct 1, 2009 12:55 AM:
" LOL, ahh yes once again your fantasy life takes over...Dr Doofensmirtz let's take a look at the disorder.
https://www.google.com/health/ref/Narcissistic+personality+disorder
1. Reacts to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation
- I react to your idiotic comments by pointing out they are idiotic. Really you don't criticize because you cannot possibly connect with any point being made. For example, why excuse a coach with a kid living in his house? You just go by the toughest points and blame.
2.Takes advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals
- This is you. I even defended the honor of Kenny's sister when she was made to look like a thug. My goal is to keep the truth here and keep your ignorance at bay by responding to it with facts, humor and an intention to show how low you really are.
3. Has feelings of self-importance
- The School Board and PIAA did their job, I am just the follow up pooper scooper cleaning up your doo doo here.
4. Exaggerates achievements and talents
- No evidence here of that either. I rely on the facts of the case.
5. Is preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love
- LOL, well at least we know in communicating with you I am not preoccupied with intelligence.
6. Has unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
- I could care less how you act toward me. I am offended when you trash people in your effort to defend two quite dishonorable people.
7. Requires constant attention and admiration
- Again could care less
8. Disregards the feelings of others, lacks empathy
- I do disregard your feelings. Your lack of empathy for the father and his child, your intentional, willful attacks really demand an aggressive response.
9. Has obsessive self-interest
Again not an issue, my interests coincide with PIAA and PASD.
10. Pursues mainly selfish goals
I don't get anything out of this and have to put up with wing nut wackos....
SO in the end, once again you are proven wrong.
Let's see if you can actually respond with a cogent answer. I doubt it. "
https://www.google.com/health/ref/Narcissistic+personality+disorder
1. Reacts to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation
- I react to your idiotic comments by pointing out they are idiotic. Really you don't criticize because you cannot possibly connect with any point being made. For example, why excuse a coach with a kid living in his house? You just go by the toughest points and blame.
2.Takes advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals
- This is you. I even defended the honor of Kenny's sister when she was made to look like a thug. My goal is to keep the truth here and keep your ignorance at bay by responding to it with facts, humor and an intention to show how low you really are.
3. Has feelings of self-importance
- The School Board and PIAA did their job, I am just the follow up pooper scooper cleaning up your doo doo here.
4. Exaggerates achievements and talents
- No evidence here of that either. I rely on the facts of the case.
5. Is preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love
- LOL, well at least we know in communicating with you I am not preoccupied with intelligence.
6. Has unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
- I could care less how you act toward me. I am offended when you trash people in your effort to defend two quite dishonorable people.
7. Requires constant attention and admiration
- Again could care less
8. Disregards the feelings of others, lacks empathy
- I do disregard your feelings. Your lack of empathy for the father and his child, your intentional, willful attacks really demand an aggressive response.
9. Has obsessive self-interest
Again not an issue, my interests coincide with PIAA and PASD.
10. Pursues mainly selfish goals
I don't get anything out of this and have to put up with wing nut wackos....
SO in the end, once again you are proven wrong.
Let's see if you can actually respond with a cogent answer. I doubt it. "
abouttime wrote on Oct 1, 2009 8:15 AM:
" Are you kidding me?
I thought somebody said something about him being a college coach. Are you kidding me? Maybe at the DIVISION 4 college he was inquiring about for one of his players.
Thanks for the laughs on a rough Thursday morning. "
I thought somebody said something about him being a college coach. Are you kidding me? Maybe at the DIVISION 4 college he was inquiring about for one of his players.
Thanks for the laughs on a rough Thursday morning. "
Y&N123 wrote on Oct 1, 2009 9:36 AM:
" Eagle- Didn't know there was a radio show so didn't hear it. I'm sure it was interesting though.
PS I'm with you on this whole thing. It's just a shame that when good people make mistakes they can't be given the benefit of the doubt. Haters like to hate for the fun of it and we'll never be able to change that. Don't waste any more of your time on this. It's passing already and life does go on for the better! Keep the faith! "
PS I'm with you on this whole thing. It's just a shame that when good people make mistakes they can't be given the benefit of the doubt. Haters like to hate for the fun of it and we'll never be able to change that. Don't waste any more of your time on this. It's passing already and life does go on for the better! Keep the faith! "
CharlesO wrote on Oct 1, 2009 11:37 AM:
" Of course you are, you are as goofy as he is.
It amazes me how preposterous the defenders are. If coaches all over PA were allowed to pull stunts like this it would create a nightmare all over the state.
Not to mention the lesson it sends to kids. Rules are rules and must be followed.
You are too ignorant to see the consequences of their actions if allowed to play out and too ignorant to accept it is more than a small mistake.
Then you blame the kid and his dad.
The coaches wanted to win so bad they jeopardized the whole team. They have put out pieces of the whole truth while proclaiming ignorance.
Read the PIAA rule book, one of the first things every coach knows is they don't do stuff like this.
Detloser is done, and should be forever. "
It amazes me how preposterous the defenders are. If coaches all over PA were allowed to pull stunts like this it would create a nightmare all over the state.
Not to mention the lesson it sends to kids. Rules are rules and must be followed.
You are too ignorant to see the consequences of their actions if allowed to play out and too ignorant to accept it is more than a small mistake.
Then you blame the kid and his dad.
The coaches wanted to win so bad they jeopardized the whole team. They have put out pieces of the whole truth while proclaiming ignorance.
Read the PIAA rule book, one of the first things every coach knows is they don't do stuff like this.
Detloser is done, and should be forever. "
Steve wrote on Oct 1, 2009 12:03 PM:
" CharlesO, I shouldn't bother but it appears you are really confused and possibly mentally ill so I'll try to help.
90% of the people who have posted agree that the coaches deserved to be fired. What we don't understand is the level of hate you have for Ken Winston or the reason why you feel the player and father have no accountability here. The kid worked out for lots of schools and knew full well he was being shopped around. He also agreed to move in with Winston. The father willing accepted help with rent and didn't say a anything to anyone about it until after his kid was booted off the team and the rent help he was promised didn't happen.
Why do you feel so strongly about this? Why do you feel the need to attack everyone who posts here, even when they mostly agree with you? Do you really think you can "win or lose" on a message board?
Please sir, just let it go and move on. Life is too short. Get some help. It will do you good.
Peace. "
90% of the people who have posted agree that the coaches deserved to be fired. What we don't understand is the level of hate you have for Ken Winston or the reason why you feel the player and father have no accountability here. The kid worked out for lots of schools and knew full well he was being shopped around. He also agreed to move in with Winston. The father willing accepted help with rent and didn't say a anything to anyone about it until after his kid was booted off the team and the rent help he was promised didn't happen.
Why do you feel so strongly about this? Why do you feel the need to attack everyone who posts here, even when they mostly agree with you? Do you really think you can "win or lose" on a message board?
Please sir, just let it go and move on. Life is too short. Get some help. It will do you good.
Peace. "
CharlesO wrote on Oct 1, 2009 2:04 PM:
" Steve if only we could amp up your brain power. For the 5000th time it is not about hating Kenny Winston.
Maybe if you would like to point out the hate you are seeing some sense could be made of what you say.
I think the kid has zero accountability, it was the decision of the adults. He could not have had all the facts. It is wrong for losers to come here and go after incidents involving this kid. Perhaps there is a perfect teenager, but I have yet to find one...and certainly sludge like you and EagleSewage are not people to judge anyone.
As for the father? The rules regarding cursing at the kids involve the coaches. The rules involving recruitment of kids also apply to the coaches.
I am troubled the kid was enrolled. Who did this? Each time I enrolled some 20 plus foster kids at Phoenixville I had to present proof of residency. Someone lied somewhere and that is a crime (Unswown falsification to authorities). More to the point I am almost certain I signed papers during each enrollment saying it was perjury to scam the school.
With the kid living with Kenny, Dad could not present electric/gas bills. He could not present a lease or a phone bill. The answered question is, "How did this kid get enrolled in the first place?"
You have a problem with the kid staying with Kenny. There is a finger to be pointed, is it pointed at the father? Were the school code violations MORE than just cursing? If someone pulled some stunt there has to be another PASD involved in either letting something wrong go on, or doing something wrong in enrolling the kid.
I feel strongly about this because our kids deserve competent people who respect the rules of society. This was not just recruiting, this was stepping into a kid's life and interfering in a way that goes far beyond coaching.
I remember a Wrestling Coach who was arrested a few year back for having sex with a student. That girl took a lot of heat from the kids and that was wrong.
Now we have 3 guys crossing serious moral lines and we have people actually coming here and attacking the people these coaches wanted to use.
They decided getting this kid was more important than playing the kids they had. Nice they have so little faith in their players.
They reached into people's lives and gave them hope for something they could not afford and was not right for their own glory. It was not for the team, let's be honest about that.
They cheated the kids, they cheated this father and son.
But it is okay. People come here and say, "Go ahead and curse at the kids, everyone does it." No they don't. "Hey it is no big deal," yet it is. Imagine if everyone did this kind of thing?
The father is naive, he is disabled. He wanted what was best for his son and getting a kid out of Philly is a good thing. But they were used for the wrong purposes of these coaches. They used that desire to get what they wanted and then dumped them to fend for themselves.
These people were vulnerable and were taken advantage of. This is why you see no official stand up for them. What they did just so wrong it defies all logic they would have even thought to do it.
It requires something of being a predator to pull this off. You see a kid that serves what you want, not what is best for the kid.
Now people defend the coaches by saying idiotic things to suggest the kid was not so bad and the dad is unpatriotic. What counts is what was in Detwiler and Winston's heads then, not the slander now.
Yet the victims are attacked by people who simply ignore facts and the consequences of their choices. They call a man unpatriotic and his son problematic.
Why stand against this? It is wrong, and evil thrives when good men do nothing. "
Maybe if you would like to point out the hate you are seeing some sense could be made of what you say.
I think the kid has zero accountability, it was the decision of the adults. He could not have had all the facts. It is wrong for losers to come here and go after incidents involving this kid. Perhaps there is a perfect teenager, but I have yet to find one...and certainly sludge like you and EagleSewage are not people to judge anyone.
As for the father? The rules regarding cursing at the kids involve the coaches. The rules involving recruitment of kids also apply to the coaches.
I am troubled the kid was enrolled. Who did this? Each time I enrolled some 20 plus foster kids at Phoenixville I had to present proof of residency. Someone lied somewhere and that is a crime (Unswown falsification to authorities). More to the point I am almost certain I signed papers during each enrollment saying it was perjury to scam the school.
With the kid living with Kenny, Dad could not present electric/gas bills. He could not present a lease or a phone bill. The answered question is, "How did this kid get enrolled in the first place?"
You have a problem with the kid staying with Kenny. There is a finger to be pointed, is it pointed at the father? Were the school code violations MORE than just cursing? If someone pulled some stunt there has to be another PASD involved in either letting something wrong go on, or doing something wrong in enrolling the kid.
I feel strongly about this because our kids deserve competent people who respect the rules of society. This was not just recruiting, this was stepping into a kid's life and interfering in a way that goes far beyond coaching.
I remember a Wrestling Coach who was arrested a few year back for having sex with a student. That girl took a lot of heat from the kids and that was wrong.
Now we have 3 guys crossing serious moral lines and we have people actually coming here and attacking the people these coaches wanted to use.
They decided getting this kid was more important than playing the kids they had. Nice they have so little faith in their players.
They reached into people's lives and gave them hope for something they could not afford and was not right for their own glory. It was not for the team, let's be honest about that.
They cheated the kids, they cheated this father and son.
But it is okay. People come here and say, "Go ahead and curse at the kids, everyone does it." No they don't. "Hey it is no big deal," yet it is. Imagine if everyone did this kind of thing?
The father is naive, he is disabled. He wanted what was best for his son and getting a kid out of Philly is a good thing. But they were used for the wrong purposes of these coaches. They used that desire to get what they wanted and then dumped them to fend for themselves.
These people were vulnerable and were taken advantage of. This is why you see no official stand up for them. What they did just so wrong it defies all logic they would have even thought to do it.
It requires something of being a predator to pull this off. You see a kid that serves what you want, not what is best for the kid.
Now people defend the coaches by saying idiotic things to suggest the kid was not so bad and the dad is unpatriotic. What counts is what was in Detwiler and Winston's heads then, not the slander now.
Yet the victims are attacked by people who simply ignore facts and the consequences of their choices. They call a man unpatriotic and his son problematic.
Why stand against this? It is wrong, and evil thrives when good men do nothing. "
Steve wrote on Oct 1, 2009 3:01 PM:
" CharlesO, I give up. You are truely delusional and can not be reasoned with. Your quote of "evil thrives when good men do nothing." is funny coming from you! Do you think hiding behind an allais attacking people on the internet is "doing something"? Please!
You also claim to be involved in the foster care system. I'm sure CYF would be interested to know they have a mentally ill hate monger in their system.
The bottom line is that you are a coward, just like some others who post here. I am willing to say anything I type here face to face. Just let me know where and when. Until then (which will be never because internet tough guys like you and Chris aren't man enough to talk to some one face to face), I have nothing more to say. "
You also claim to be involved in the foster care system. I'm sure CYF would be interested to know they have a mentally ill hate monger in their system.
The bottom line is that you are a coward, just like some others who post here. I am willing to say anything I type here face to face. Just let me know where and when. Until then (which will be never because internet tough guys like you and Chris aren't man enough to talk to some one face to face), I have nothing more to say. "
eagleeye wrote on Oct 1, 2009 3:22 PM:
" Steve, well said.Charles O SR should realize he has to overcome denial, before he can start to cure his disorder.I noticed, as you, that he didn't deny his cowardly tendencies.I'll bet my salary he won't give up his identity. Actually , can't blame him,he's made such a fool of himself as Charles O. "
CharlesO wrote on Oct 1, 2009 7:23 PM:
" Yup as always you cannot address one point. Not even one.
Yet somehow you seem to feel your points are valid?
You live in a fantasy world where your bizarre comments are accepted as fact.
I am Charles Overton, now I am his dad? His Dad is dead. I attacked Delores, yet you cannot point to an attack, it is just how you twisted it.
I hate Kenny, yet you cannot point to an actual example of it.
Blah, blah, blah....
Now you have little more but to make it personal with me. So I did win. The preposterous attacks on the father and son fell flat.
I love the loser argument about identity. You will out a someone who is not even part of this with no problem, and when you are proven wrong you still seek to make a connection.
In the end this is about principles, something you two clearly lack.
I'll tell you what, you tell us who each of you are and I will tell you my identity.
Let's see if what is good for the gander is good for the geeks.
I guess if you do not out yourself that makes you two the cowards????? "
Yet somehow you seem to feel your points are valid?
You live in a fantasy world where your bizarre comments are accepted as fact.
I am Charles Overton, now I am his dad? His Dad is dead. I attacked Delores, yet you cannot point to an attack, it is just how you twisted it.
I hate Kenny, yet you cannot point to an actual example of it.
Blah, blah, blah....
Now you have little more but to make it personal with me. So I did win. The preposterous attacks on the father and son fell flat.
I love the loser argument about identity. You will out a someone who is not even part of this with no problem, and when you are proven wrong you still seek to make a connection.
In the end this is about principles, something you two clearly lack.
I'll tell you what, you tell us who each of you are and I will tell you my identity.
Let's see if what is good for the gander is good for the geeks.
I guess if you do not out yourself that makes you two the cowards????? "
eagleeye wrote on Oct 1, 2009 11:30 PM:
" Charles, the screen name stands for someone who you depicted as a social misfit? Is this so you can carry on his legend with your rantings, or is this because Ken Winston had some issues with this family? Hmm. and you don't hate Ken, yet you just lie about his not having proper credentials. LOL
You are so clueless about high school sports its pathetic. After my 30 +years as a high school and college coach , you surmise you know more about area basketball than me? Unfortunately, recruiting is rampant in district 12, and the two best teams this year in Dist. 1 have multiple transfers that just happened to move into their school districts , sort of like the Harpers in Phx.Yes Charles it happens every year.
You actually believe that college coaches don't ask high school coaches what a player is all about? Are you brain dead.If your lively hood depended on the kids you recruit, you surely talk to his high school coach. Cursing was just one of the so called violations, the super also mentioned what I stated above.This was from the mouth of Coach Detweiler. Why would he lie about that?
Did Harper have any influence on where his kid plays? Ask Upper Merion's football coach if a parent can decide where he wants his son to play! His best player just transferred to Conestoga. Ask him why?
I'll ask Dolores if she's okay with your mentioning her in that context.Should be interesting who she sides with.
Call coach Pufko and ask him about their visit to Orion. Then tell me I'm wrong.
I've given you names to call to verify my statements. Something tells me you'll make up excuses not to do so!
I must admit I did lie to you. I told you I'm too old for fisticuffs.In reality, I can't wait to meet you face to face. You have been called out time twice by me , and at least once by Steve. Do you really think I believe you would reveal yourself on this sight?
Name a place, I'll let you have home court. It's your ball now twerp. "
You are so clueless about high school sports its pathetic. After my 30 +years as a high school and college coach , you surmise you know more about area basketball than me? Unfortunately, recruiting is rampant in district 12, and the two best teams this year in Dist. 1 have multiple transfers that just happened to move into their school districts , sort of like the Harpers in Phx.Yes Charles it happens every year.
You actually believe that college coaches don't ask high school coaches what a player is all about? Are you brain dead.If your lively hood depended on the kids you recruit, you surely talk to his high school coach. Cursing was just one of the so called violations, the super also mentioned what I stated above.This was from the mouth of Coach Detweiler. Why would he lie about that?
Did Harper have any influence on where his kid plays? Ask Upper Merion's football coach if a parent can decide where he wants his son to play! His best player just transferred to Conestoga. Ask him why?
I'll ask Dolores if she's okay with your mentioning her in that context.Should be interesting who she sides with.
Call coach Pufko and ask him about their visit to Orion. Then tell me I'm wrong.
I've given you names to call to verify my statements. Something tells me you'll make up excuses not to do so!
I must admit I did lie to you. I told you I'm too old for fisticuffs.In reality, I can't wait to meet you face to face. You have been called out time twice by me , and at least once by Steve. Do you really think I believe you would reveal yourself on this sight?
Name a place, I'll let you have home court. It's your ball now twerp. "
CharlesO wrote on Oct 1, 2009 11:59 PM:
" In the real world where the Phoenixville Health Foundation does not fund Kenny, he would need a Masters Degree to do what he does. Fact, deal with it.
I wrote Charles O, it was you who decided to take it to the next step. There is a reason, but you, too, are too slow to pick up on it.
I do not accept your silly argument recruiting goes on everywhere. First you go after the kid and his dad, now every coach in the area? Is there any basement to how low you go? In any event, wrong is wrong is wrong.
Billy Bob Detweasel carries no credibility and I do not believe you have knowledge no one else does. If he did he is still wrong. Kids are entitled to confidentiality by law, it is not up to your buddy to break the law. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
Orion is not where the apartment is, if some arrangement was attempted it was a shady deal or a misunderstanding. We don't know because no one is talking. However, in my former role I appeared at their CLA's unannounced to interview clients. They simply cannot just pay someone's rent, their services are provided within Dept. MH/MR contractual parameters.
And again you twist things up with Delores. I made an observation of fact. She was Assistant Treasurer when this all started, now she is not. What they say is meaningless until the Director steps up and says PAPA was in no way involved and backs it up with some record keeping. There was no context, it was a statement of fact.
You are the ones who think it is important to know who everyone is, so you go first.
Oh and the word is site, sight is seeing something.
I cannot believe you were ever a coach, you are too anti-kids, your comments are just bizarre and now you want to have "fisticuffs?" Who even says that anyone? God willing you were never around kids to influence them with your lack of values. "
I wrote Charles O, it was you who decided to take it to the next step. There is a reason, but you, too, are too slow to pick up on it.
I do not accept your silly argument recruiting goes on everywhere. First you go after the kid and his dad, now every coach in the area? Is there any basement to how low you go? In any event, wrong is wrong is wrong.
Billy Bob Detweasel carries no credibility and I do not believe you have knowledge no one else does. If he did he is still wrong. Kids are entitled to confidentiality by law, it is not up to your buddy to break the law. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
Orion is not where the apartment is, if some arrangement was attempted it was a shady deal or a misunderstanding. We don't know because no one is talking. However, in my former role I appeared at their CLA's unannounced to interview clients. They simply cannot just pay someone's rent, their services are provided within Dept. MH/MR contractual parameters.
And again you twist things up with Delores. I made an observation of fact. She was Assistant Treasurer when this all started, now she is not. What they say is meaningless until the Director steps up and says PAPA was in no way involved and backs it up with some record keeping. There was no context, it was a statement of fact.
You are the ones who think it is important to know who everyone is, so you go first.
Oh and the word is site, sight is seeing something.
I cannot believe you were ever a coach, you are too anti-kids, your comments are just bizarre and now you want to have "fisticuffs?" Who even says that anyone? God willing you were never around kids to influence them with your lack of values. "
YN123 wrote on Oct 2, 2009 12:00 AM:
" Eagle- All rational people are grateful for your efforts in this matter. As frustrating as it is to be certain of your facts and tired of the hate, you'll never change Charles0. We know that he doesn't know the facts, only bits and pieces of what he's heard from other haters. He has no clue of what the charges were and why they were charged. Let him have his tirades as next week he'll find another crusade because it's obvious he has nothing else to do. Now that all his foster kids are gone. Yuk yuk. Who in their right mind would give a dog to this guy let alone foster kids? Anyway, we can agree that this is a mess for all sorts of reasons, but not the least of which is yet more decent people have to pay the price for the lazy and entitled. I suppose the biggest puzzle is why did all of this happen at all? What did the Harpers get from this other than their pound of flesh. I can't believe that getting rid of the coach and destroying the program and the team is the real reason for all this hoop la. He still can't play anymore nor should he be allowed to ask. He still has to pay his rent and since he couldn't afford it last summer, how is he affording it now? Is the school paying and isn't that the same offense that they tried to hang the coaches with? I suppose we'll have to wait to see what the "real" prize is for all of this. But maybe the all wise Charles knows. Lord knows he knows everything else. Thanks again Eagle! "
eagleeye wrote on Oct 2, 2009 12:56 AM:
" Charles the Twerp, I'm still coaching today dipstick. That's how I know whats what in area basketball.
Ken has a Masters degree.Call Neumann College for proof.
Orion is a non-profit, not a housing development stupid.Are you afraid to call Pufko because he'll verify my statement? Apparently so!
Coach Detweiler has no credibility,when telling me what he was accused of? What are you sniffing?
Ask Debbie Dawson if PAPA was involved in paying Harper's rent. I'm still calling Dolores to see if it bothers her to see how you threw her name out for public scrutiny.
I did go to the next step, but you didn't answer my question. Hmm .
Come on Charles the Twerp, its still your ball, lets meet and play a little one on one. "
Ken has a Masters degree.Call Neumann College for proof.
Orion is a non-profit, not a housing development stupid.Are you afraid to call Pufko because he'll verify my statement? Apparently so!
Coach Detweiler has no credibility,when telling me what he was accused of? What are you sniffing?
Ask Debbie Dawson if PAPA was involved in paying Harper's rent. I'm still calling Dolores to see if it bothers her to see how you threw her name out for public scrutiny.
I did go to the next step, but you didn't answer my question. Hmm .
Come on Charles the Twerp, its still your ball, lets meet and play a little one on one. "
eagleeye wrote on Oct 2, 2009 1:16 AM:
" YN123 just think, if I didn't keep Charles the Twerp busy, he'd be twittering himself all day.
Channel 10 received an anonymous call about the Harpers, thats why they ran their little investigation. I think the call came from an unhappy parent who had threatened the coaches he would cause problems. Most likely it's the same whacko who has been posting negative blogs all year.It wasn't Harper who brought the recruiting violation in front of the school board, it was the same whacko, way back in Jan. Harper went to the school board in July,after he was evicted. Of course the hit list hadn't been developed in Jan, so the board didn't seem to think anything was amiss.We all know by July things had changed.
Notice Channel 10 aborted the investigations after watching Harpers testimony at the PIAA hearing. Only Charles the Twerp would believe this character. "
Channel 10 received an anonymous call about the Harpers, thats why they ran their little investigation. I think the call came from an unhappy parent who had threatened the coaches he would cause problems. Most likely it's the same whacko who has been posting negative blogs all year.It wasn't Harper who brought the recruiting violation in front of the school board, it was the same whacko, way back in Jan. Harper went to the school board in July,after he was evicted. Of course the hit list hadn't been developed in Jan, so the board didn't seem to think anything was amiss.We all know by July things had changed.
Notice Channel 10 aborted the investigations after watching Harpers testimony at the PIAA hearing. Only Charles the Twerp would believe this character. "
123guy wrote on Oct 2, 2009 7:31 AM:
" Eagleeye...just curious-do you coach high school locally? If so, what league? "
CharlesO wrote on Oct 2, 2009 10:46 AM:
" LOL, you just have this thing where you refuse to even make sense.
I am fully aware of what Orion is. They would be involved in case management not development. There are several non-profits who do what they do, none of which pay rent for anyone. My point stands, the one on your head is deflating.
Kenny never quite finished his degree....Oops you blew that again and I think you know no one is going to give out his records, so stop playing that one.
Do you read what you write? You have a hunch and act as if it is a fact. "Channel 10 received an anonymous call about the Harpers, thats why they ran their little investigation"
This was not on Channel 10 and you act as if you are the center of everything and know it all. Do you just create it in your head and assume it turns into fact?
I am still waiting for you to tell us who is taking the family in? Were they actually evicted? What is the case number? How is it you have facts no one else does?
I think you just create it in your head, spout it as truth.
I also think you are a liar about being a coach. I mean in Phoenixville I can see a loon being able to coach for 30 years, I hope you are not, but my hunch is you are just a liar.
I am not the one who declares those who do not disclose themselves are cowards. I am still waiting for you, Mr. 30 Years, to tell us who you are.
I guess that yellow streak down your fat old back just got longer. "
I am fully aware of what Orion is. They would be involved in case management not development. There are several non-profits who do what they do, none of which pay rent for anyone. My point stands, the one on your head is deflating.
Kenny never quite finished his degree....Oops you blew that again and I think you know no one is going to give out his records, so stop playing that one.
Do you read what you write? You have a hunch and act as if it is a fact. "Channel 10 received an anonymous call about the Harpers, thats why they ran their little investigation"
This was not on Channel 10 and you act as if you are the center of everything and know it all. Do you just create it in your head and assume it turns into fact?
I am still waiting for you to tell us who is taking the family in? Were they actually evicted? What is the case number? How is it you have facts no one else does?
I think you just create it in your head, spout it as truth.
I also think you are a liar about being a coach. I mean in Phoenixville I can see a loon being able to coach for 30 years, I hope you are not, but my hunch is you are just a liar.
I am not the one who declares those who do not disclose themselves are cowards. I am still waiting for you, Mr. 30 Years, to tell us who you are.
I guess that yellow streak down your fat old back just got longer. "
CharlesO wrote on Oct 2, 2009 12:15 PM:
" Wow you are pretty impressive. Did you discover a new word? Twerp, yeah I am impressed.
Ummm, Einstein, you said they were evicted in July. Perhaps with all your vast insider knowledge you will inform us where they are living now?
Silly, me that is all in your head, it does not exist in the real world.
I don't know Old Yellow Stain, I'd like to know who I am meeting up with. For all your repeated and tiring use of the word twerp, it would appear you have been lying about who you are. "
Ummm, Einstein, you said they were evicted in July. Perhaps with all your vast insider knowledge you will inform us where they are living now?
Silly, me that is all in your head, it does not exist in the real world.
I don't know Old Yellow Stain, I'd like to know who I am meeting up with. For all your repeated and tiring use of the word twerp, it would appear you have been lying about who you are. "
CharlesO wrote on Oct 2, 2009 2:04 PM:
" And the reason I bring it up is because it is a critical piece of information. You and your fellow sewer rat tend to put out information that cannot be verified...Like NBC10 got an anonymous call (which apparently was called into EagleRat) and Kenny now has a Master's Degree when in the last go around he did not.
We can verify if EagleGoat is actually in the loop. We know the family is in the area, but where do they live? EagleLoser says he was evicted yet this was not part of the public information...So Mr. Big Shot Insider, tell us where these people are living? From where were they evicted and when? What is the case number in District Court?
Of course EagleWeasel is not an insider. He is not a coach. He is a nobody who made some bad guesses and has been called on it.
..and this is the reason he does not want to share who he really is, that would be the final evidence he is just a liar. "
We can verify if EagleGoat is actually in the loop. We know the family is in the area, but where do they live? EagleLoser says he was evicted yet this was not part of the public information...So Mr. Big Shot Insider, tell us where these people are living? From where were they evicted and when? What is the case number in District Court?
Of course EagleWeasel is not an insider. He is not a coach. He is a nobody who made some bad guesses and has been called on it.
..and this is the reason he does not want to share who he really is, that would be the final evidence he is just a liar. "
eagleeye wrote on Oct 2, 2009 5:57 PM:
" Charles the twerp-- Tuesday at noon at the Civic Center, see you then. "
CharlesO wrote on Oct 2, 2009 10:04 PM:
" Not if you don't come out from behind your dark corner...You seem to feel who I am is terribly important.
Well I don't make appointments with losers until I know who the loser is.
If you are a big shot coach of 30 years then you'll gladly identify yourself.
Come on Yellow Belly, if you are as prominent as you claim everyone already knows you... "
Well I don't make appointments with losers until I know who the loser is.
If you are a big shot coach of 30 years then you'll gladly identify yourself.
Come on Yellow Belly, if you are as prominent as you claim everyone already knows you... "
eagleeye wrote on Oct 2, 2009 11:00 PM:
" Charles the twerp-- Lets make it real.
Do you really think I believe that if I identify myself you'll do the same.Come on, sis,next best thing is to meet at a public venue.I'm giving you home court advantage.I'll be there waiting for you.The Civic center is on Main St.I'll be there noon, this Tuesday.Step up or shut up sis. "
Do you really think I believe that if I identify myself you'll do the same.Come on, sis,next best thing is to meet at a public venue.I'm giving you home court advantage.I'll be there waiting for you.The Civic center is on Main St.I'll be there noon, this Tuesday.Step up or shut up sis. "
CharlesO wrote on Oct 3, 2009 1:51 PM:
" Those who read may agree my not meeting with this clown is against the grain of the conversation. It is not.
My goal all along is to show Eagle Eye as the dishonest poster he is.
When we read back he attacks the father and the player. Of course anything they did was not at issue, only a coach can recruit. EagleEye knows his arguments are baseless so he pushes responsibility to others by accusations about the father's patriotism, his position in life, and his character. Well it does not wash, only coaches can recruit.
These arguments fail and EagleEye turns to attacking the kid. I am not sure how many teenagers are perfect, but whatever the kid did had nothing to do with recruiting. Again, it is EagleEye knowing his argument cannot win any support on the merits. He attacks the kid to take focus of the real issues. Yet once again, the kid cannot recruit, only coaches can do this.
EagleEye then suggests this is going on all over the place. It is not that the coaches did something wrong in violation of the rules, it is the rules are rendered moot because this is a standard practice in the PIAA. This is perhaps the more pernicious of all his comments. What family moves around to find the best place to play ball? It is true some may move into a District for any number of reasons, but this is the decision of the parent without the influence of a coach playing Realtor.
EagleEye's allegations can only fit poor families who would be vulnerable to the influence of people wanting to overcome the rules. They overcome the rules by moving the kid in with a coach and then another family...and worst of all they rely on the naivete of a father who is hardly a grand success in his own life. Dad was easy to manipulate and after all PASD is a far better school than will be found in Philly. They played on every parent's desire to see better for their child, and they played it on a man who would otherwise never realize the dream but for the Coaches....But for the coaches none of this would happen.
When challenged EagleEye becomes a coach of 30 years. Yet read his words, is this a man who has led smart, bright kids? No, not really, he fails to address all the holes in his arguments. In 30 years he has never been challenged by a kid? No way this guy is anything much in our community.
...and after 30 years you would think he would be proud to say who he is. "
My goal all along is to show Eagle Eye as the dishonest poster he is.
When we read back he attacks the father and the player. Of course anything they did was not at issue, only a coach can recruit. EagleEye knows his arguments are baseless so he pushes responsibility to others by accusations about the father's patriotism, his position in life, and his character. Well it does not wash, only coaches can recruit.
These arguments fail and EagleEye turns to attacking the kid. I am not sure how many teenagers are perfect, but whatever the kid did had nothing to do with recruiting. Again, it is EagleEye knowing his argument cannot win any support on the merits. He attacks the kid to take focus of the real issues. Yet once again, the kid cannot recruit, only coaches can do this.
EagleEye then suggests this is going on all over the place. It is not that the coaches did something wrong in violation of the rules, it is the rules are rendered moot because this is a standard practice in the PIAA. This is perhaps the more pernicious of all his comments. What family moves around to find the best place to play ball? It is true some may move into a District for any number of reasons, but this is the decision of the parent without the influence of a coach playing Realtor.
EagleEye's allegations can only fit poor families who would be vulnerable to the influence of people wanting to overcome the rules. They overcome the rules by moving the kid in with a coach and then another family...and worst of all they rely on the naivete of a father who is hardly a grand success in his own life. Dad was easy to manipulate and after all PASD is a far better school than will be found in Philly. They played on every parent's desire to see better for their child, and they played it on a man who would otherwise never realize the dream but for the Coaches....But for the coaches none of this would happen.
When challenged EagleEye becomes a coach of 30 years. Yet read his words, is this a man who has led smart, bright kids? No, not really, he fails to address all the holes in his arguments. In 30 years he has never been challenged by a kid? No way this guy is anything much in our community.
...and after 30 years you would think he would be proud to say who he is. "
eagleeye wrote on Oct 3, 2009 3:42 PM:
" Charles the twerp-- Looking for other bloggers to back your cowardly decision not to meet? How pathetic can you get.
On March 15, 2009 Inquirer reporter Mike Jensen wrote a column entitled Philly:The Home office of Hoops. The Inside headline reads "Four accounts of what makes Philly basketball so special."(D8).Read the article "A third generation quickly takes up the family passion".You will then know who I am.You will then realize how I know so many people who are close to this debacle,including PIAA reps on the hearing comm.You will also realize how I know so much about Phoenixville. Of course this won't have any impact on your warped view of this whole mess because your whole purpose has been to attack Ken. You don't care anything about the other coaches, you didn't even bother to use their correct names.Your after Ken, his family, (you sleazily bring his sister into it, even at one point his mom)and background.You lie about his education.You infer something immoral about someone staying in his house.Lets be real here. If I were as cowardly as you, I wouldn't want the Winstons to know my identity either.For proof , go to that Inquirer article, and even though I've given you my identity. as the gutless coward you are, you'll find some reason not to divulge yours. I'm done with you,have fun twittering yourself all day. "
On March 15, 2009 Inquirer reporter Mike Jensen wrote a column entitled Philly:The Home office of Hoops. The Inside headline reads "Four accounts of what makes Philly basketball so special."(D8).Read the article "A third generation quickly takes up the family passion".You will then know who I am.You will then realize how I know so many people who are close to this debacle,including PIAA reps on the hearing comm.You will also realize how I know so much about Phoenixville. Of course this won't have any impact on your warped view of this whole mess because your whole purpose has been to attack Ken. You don't care anything about the other coaches, you didn't even bother to use their correct names.Your after Ken, his family, (you sleazily bring his sister into it, even at one point his mom)and background.You lie about his education.You infer something immoral about someone staying in his house.Lets be real here. If I were as cowardly as you, I wouldn't want the Winstons to know my identity either.For proof , go to that Inquirer article, and even though I've given you my identity. as the gutless coward you are, you'll find some reason not to divulge yours. I'm done with you,have fun twittering yourself all day. "
Former bench warmer wrote on Oct 3, 2009 4:56 PM:
" Well now could you be Johnny Walker the fifth? Just guessing.Please take a look at what all of yall wrote.Let me tell it and that will be it.The father is bad, the coach is dumb for listening to his asst. The asst. is very bad. He shouldnt even been at the school . Long time residents know all about that crap. We used to laugh about how the school got hoodwicked.The other asst.coach he just was there. Papa and the Phx heath F.NEEDS TO LOOK AT EVERY THING.I will be checking out p.j.r. hope it has some nice food and drink, wonder who ill be seeing? Ok lets move onto the next crime., "
CharlesO wrote on Oct 3, 2009 9:39 PM:
" Mr. Eagle Eye, I am not playing any of your games. You can tell your name or not.
Clearly the answer is NOT.
You are just a disturbed little man who has little else in his life but games.
God willing you are not around kids to infect them with your special brand of insanity. "
Clearly the answer is NOT.
You are just a disturbed little man who has little else in his life but games.
God willing you are not around kids to infect them with your special brand of insanity. "
CharlesO wrote on Oct 3, 2009 9:41 PM:
" LOL, I love it, Eagle Weasel is done with me....Yup because his lies are fully exposed. "
Irish wrote on Oct 6, 2009 7:31 AM:
" Why can't you folks discuss this like adults and without the name calling? Many points here are valid, but the accusations & childish comments put you in a bad light. "
CharlesO wrote on Oct 6, 2009 7:52 AM:
" Well Irish it depends where you start reading. Eagle Weasel and his ilk get annoyed whenever they are challenged and get nasty. Being your basic internet trolls who cannot handle truth they come after those who dare speak it. So they get nasty...I return the favor and ensure the Truth gets out.
I think if one is honest about the facts you will see there is exactly one serious and honest poster here. Everything Eagle and his kind is pretty much coming from fantasy.
It is simple pushing out facts and playing a little "vex the loon" that eventually wins out. "
I think if one is honest about the facts you will see there is exactly one serious and honest poster here. Everything Eagle and his kind is pretty much coming from fantasy.
It is simple pushing out facts and playing a little "vex the loon" that eventually wins out. "
unreasonableman wrote on Oct 11, 2009 11:56 AM:
" I have nothing relevant to say, I just want to make this comment thread a little longer ;-) "
dontworryaboutit wrote on Nov 30, 2009 2:02 AM:
" hey charles o,
what makes you think you have the right to publicly insult the real charles o?
who are you to claim he is an unemployed pot smoking booze guzzling 23 year old n'er with a dead father that stabs tires and gets arrested for giving kids booze?
have any proof of this?
as for your pov in this debate, you're clearly missing a lot. how can you think it's ok that this kids' father tried to sell his kid to area schools. "
what makes you think you have the right to publicly insult the real charles o?
who are you to claim he is an unemployed pot smoking booze guzzling 23 year old n'er with a dead father that stabs tires and gets arrested for giving kids booze?
have any proof of this?
as for your pov in this debate, you're clearly missing a lot. how can you think it's ok that this kids' father tried to sell his kid to area schools. "
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CharlesO wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:15 AM:
The game is over for all 3, and it should be. "